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	<title>Comments on: Question Tuesday: What about age ratings?</title>
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		<title>By: Marlene</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-129842</link>
		<dc:creator>Marlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, I would love to see your poster. I recently completed Robin&#039;s Graphic Novel 101 class, but would love to have more info on ratings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, I would love to see your poster. I recently completed Robin&#8217;s Graphic Novel 101 class, but would love to have more info on ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-118592</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I didn&#039;t get email notification that there had been replies to my post - I will send my poster to Robin and perhaps she can put it on the blog.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t get email notification that there had been replies to my post &#8211; I will send my poster to Robin and perhaps she can put it on the blog.  <img src='http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robin Brenner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-110606</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Emily, I think we&#039;d all love to see that!  I&#039;d be happy to create another post to show off anyone&#039;s ideas for signs and explanatory info for their patrons on age ratings and graphic novels.  Anyone with images and/or ideas, send &#039;em on in to me at robin (at) noflyingnotights.com.

The fact that DC Comics is jettisoning the use of the Comics Code Authority logo is a bit late, to me, as very few comics publishers have been submitting work to the Code Authority for decades, but it is good to see them set and elaborate on their ratings.  They were the last holdouts in terms of creating a ratings system.  Now, if they just created comics for kids, I&#039;d be over the moon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Emily, I think we&#8217;d all love to see that!  I&#8217;d be happy to create another post to show off anyone&#8217;s ideas for signs and explanatory info for their patrons on age ratings and graphic novels.  Anyone with images and/or ideas, send &#8216;em on in to me at robin (at) noflyingnotights.com.</p>
<p>The fact that DC Comics is jettisoning the use of the Comics Code Authority logo is a bit late, to me, as very few comics publishers have been submitting work to the Code Authority for decades, but it is good to see them set and elaborate on their ratings.  They were the last holdouts in terms of creating a ratings system.  Now, if they just created comics for kids, I&#8217;d be over the moon!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Timmons</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-110519</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Timmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily,

Would you be willing to share a copy of that ratings poster you created?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily,</p>
<p>Would you be willing to share a copy of that ratings poster you created?</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-109940</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for me, I missed the April press release that DC has started age ratings, and I&#039;m just overjoyed.  I created a poster with the breakdown of the different publishers and their ratings, and the DC column was the most difficult - explaining what the CCA Seal was and what it meant.  I&#039;m in a public library and I&#039;m happy to put up that sign and let patrons decide for themselves what ratings are right for them and their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for me, I missed the April press release that DC has started age ratings, and I&#8217;m just overjoyed.  I created a poster with the breakdown of the different publishers and their ratings, and the DC column was the most difficult &#8211; explaining what the CCA Seal was and what it meant.  I&#8217;m in a public library and I&#8217;m happy to put up that sign and let patrons decide for themselves what ratings are right for them and their children.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy the adult graphic novels for our library.  I also buy them directly from a local comic store, though teen and youth purchase from B&amp;T.  I find it very helpful to have the relationship with the store to ask them about specific titles.  We put things in adult if they are too sexual, violent or have themes that the teen librarian or I think would be more interesting to adults than teens.  For an example of that, when _Bayou_ by Jeremy Love came out, we didn&#039;t yet have a youth gn collection.  The teen librarian felt that it would be too indy and not exciting enough for teens, so we put it in adult.  The teens here really go for superhero and manga stuff, and it&#039;s often challenging to tell where to put it.  I look for that in reviews.  My comic book shop gives me the _Previews_ catalog from Diamond, and I try to piece together an order in time for them to include with their regular Diamond order between that and the Diamond Bookshelf.  This is challenging, as the web site has age ranges but no other infomation beyond title, while the catalog is giant and rarely includes age ranges.  Often I&#039;ll just watch out for new entries in series I already have.  It&#039;s helpful that more of the mainstream journals are starting to split gns up by age range, but not all do, and I get them all too late for the regular pre-orders.  I have had the occassional sexual scene challenged even in adult by library staff, not patrons, and have never yet had anything challenged for violence.  Which is the long way around to saying that I appreciate broad age range categorization - youth, teen, adult - so I know which way to send something that looks interesting.  Also, if something is too much for even the adult collection of a public library, I&#039;d like to know that, too.  I&#039;d second being interested in knowing if sexual situations and violence are the exception or the rule in a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy the adult graphic novels for our library.  I also buy them directly from a local comic store, though teen and youth purchase from B&amp;T.  I find it very helpful to have the relationship with the store to ask them about specific titles.  We put things in adult if they are too sexual, violent or have themes that the teen librarian or I think would be more interesting to adults than teens.  For an example of that, when _Bayou_ by Jeremy Love came out, we didn&#8217;t yet have a youth gn collection.  The teen librarian felt that it would be too indy and not exciting enough for teens, so we put it in adult.  The teens here really go for superhero and manga stuff, and it&#8217;s often challenging to tell where to put it.  I look for that in reviews.  My comic book shop gives me the _Previews_ catalog from Diamond, and I try to piece together an order in time for them to include with their regular Diamond order between that and the Diamond Bookshelf.  This is challenging, as the web site has age ranges but no other infomation beyond title, while the catalog is giant and rarely includes age ranges.  Often I&#8217;ll just watch out for new entries in series I already have.  It&#8217;s helpful that more of the mainstream journals are starting to split gns up by age range, but not all do, and I get them all too late for the regular pre-orders.  I have had the occassional sexual scene challenged even in adult by library staff, not patrons, and have never yet had anything challenged for violence.  Which is the long way around to saying that I appreciate broad age range categorization &#8211; youth, teen, adult &#8211; so I know which way to send something that looks interesting.  Also, if something is too much for even the adult collection of a public library, I&#8217;d like to know that, too.  I&#8217;d second being interested in knowing if sexual situations and violence are the exception or the rule in a book.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther Keller</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-109453</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great discussion and one close to my heart. As a middle school librarian, I struggle with age appropriate titles all the time. Not just for graphic novels, by the way.  Yet, there is more of a fear of graphic novels being &quot;caught&quot; by someone because if you&#039;re looking over someone&#039;s shoulder it&#039;s much easier to catch an image than an image created by a string of words.

As a reviewer, it&#039;s hard to balance the words needed to inform parents and librarians of content without being too prudish. I remember writing a review for something that I thought was overly sexual and just inappropriate and I softballed it - and was called on it in the comments of my review.  But I would have been called on it if I had been more upfront.

As a librarian, I need more guidance, because it&#039;s impossible to read all the GNs that come into my collection. And like @Susan wrote, I hate that ages on the back of comics. Generics labeling - T, OT, etc. works much better.  Once it&#039;s labeled 16+ can I put it in my collection even if I find nothing objectionable in the comic itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great discussion and one close to my heart. As a middle school librarian, I struggle with age appropriate titles all the time. Not just for graphic novels, by the way.  Yet, there is more of a fear of graphic novels being &#8220;caught&#8221; by someone because if you&#8217;re looking over someone&#8217;s shoulder it&#8217;s much easier to catch an image than an image created by a string of words.</p>
<p>As a reviewer, it&#8217;s hard to balance the words needed to inform parents and librarians of content without being too prudish. I remember writing a review for something that I thought was overly sexual and just inappropriate and I softballed it &#8211; and was called on it in the comments of my review.  But I would have been called on it if I had been more upfront.</p>
<p>As a librarian, I need more guidance, because it&#8217;s impossible to read all the GNs that come into my collection. And like @Susan wrote, I hate that ages on the back of comics. Generics labeling &#8211; T, OT, etc. works much better.  Once it&#8217;s labeled 16+ can I put it in my collection even if I find nothing objectionable in the comic itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Brenner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-109110</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Katie, glad to hear your thoughts!  I certainly know how difficult it is to read reviews for every book I order, and the time crunches we all work under.  I may not read a review for every title I order, and I certainly can&#039;t read every book I put on the shelf, but I can flip through the graphic novels (easier than I can with prose!) to get a sense of what their content is before I place them on the shelves just so &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; know what&#039;s in there.

I understand that visual information is perceived differently than textual information.  Personally, I wish that weren&#039;t so, but I know that it is and we all have to collect accordingly.  I&#039;ve had very long involved discussions about just why that&#039;s true, and whether it is true for everyone (I know folks who are much more frightened by what they imagine from a page than what they see on a screen), but it is the way our society works at the moment.

It&#039;s more a problem for me when I hear that a librarian can&#039;t order titles that are 16+ as a rule within their collection and that there is no allowance given for the librarian&#039;s decision as a selector (and I know libraries exist where that is the case.)  I prefer to leave what a person can handle as up to them, as the reader, as we do with almost everything else we collect, and prefer to depend on my own feelings as a selector than go by what a publisher or vendor informs me is appropriate.    I think it ultimately comes from my worry that people depend too much on ratings and don&#039;t take into account reviews, or context, when selecting.

On that note, here&#039;s a question for you -- if you don&#039;t have time to track down reviews for all the GNs you buy, how DO you decide what to purchase?  What would help you if reviews aren&#039;t plausible?  Lists?  How should such lists be organized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Katie, glad to hear your thoughts!  I certainly know how difficult it is to read reviews for every book I order, and the time crunches we all work under.  I may not read a review for every title I order, and I certainly can&#8217;t read every book I put on the shelf, but I can flip through the graphic novels (easier than I can with prose!) to get a sense of what their content is before I place them on the shelves just so <em>I</em> know what&#8217;s in there.</p>
<p>I understand that visual information is perceived differently than textual information.  Personally, I wish that weren&#8217;t so, but I know that it is and we all have to collect accordingly.  I&#8217;ve had very long involved discussions about just why that&#8217;s true, and whether it is true for everyone (I know folks who are much more frightened by what they imagine from a page than what they see on a screen), but it is the way our society works at the moment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more a problem for me when I hear that a librarian can&#8217;t order titles that are 16+ as a rule within their collection and that there is no allowance given for the librarian&#8217;s decision as a selector (and I know libraries exist where that is the case.)  I prefer to leave what a person can handle as up to them, as the reader, as we do with almost everything else we collect, and prefer to depend on my own feelings as a selector than go by what a publisher or vendor informs me is appropriate.    I think it ultimately comes from my worry that people depend too much on ratings and don&#8217;t take into account reviews, or context, when selecting.</p>
<p>On that note, here&#8217;s a question for you &#8212; if you don&#8217;t have time to track down reviews for all the GNs you buy, how DO you decide what to purchase?  What would help you if reviews aren&#8217;t plausible?  Lists?  How should such lists be organized?</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/goodcomicsforkids/2011/10/18/question-tuesday-what-about-age-ratings/#comment-109105</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a teen librarian at a small public library where I do all the purchasing for teen and adult GNs and often give recommendations to the children&#039;s librarian as well. I do appreciate any type of age or content rating I can get.  To tell the truth, no, I don&#039;t have the time to track down reviews of every GN, and that would be impossible at any rate, given that many aren&#039;t reviewed in the first place.  At least, with experience, I can get an idea what is meant by the different ratings, and I&#039;m lucky I can move a title up or down if it has content I wasn&#039;t expecting.  

I have to say I do think it&#039;s a little disingenuous to equate controversial content in books with controversial content in GNs.  Visual material IS different than written material, I&#039;m sorry that&#039;s just the way it is.  Imagining something is different than actually seeing it in living color in front of your eyes.  Even though I think movie ratings leave a lot to be desired, it&#039;s the same concept - a visual medium given an approximate rating of appropriateness.  We all have to be thoughful when we purchase GNs and not let ratings be the be-all and end-all, but they ARE important and necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a teen librarian at a small public library where I do all the purchasing for teen and adult GNs and often give recommendations to the children&#8217;s librarian as well. I do appreciate any type of age or content rating I can get.  To tell the truth, no, I don&#8217;t have the time to track down reviews of every GN, and that would be impossible at any rate, given that many aren&#8217;t reviewed in the first place.  At least, with experience, I can get an idea what is meant by the different ratings, and I&#8217;m lucky I can move a title up or down if it has content I wasn&#8217;t expecting.  </p>
<p>I have to say I do think it&#8217;s a little disingenuous to equate controversial content in books with controversial content in GNs.  Visual material IS different than written material, I&#8217;m sorry that&#8217;s just the way it is.  Imagining something is different than actually seeing it in living color in front of your eyes.  Even though I think movie ratings leave a lot to be desired, it&#8217;s the same concept &#8211; a visual medium given an approximate rating of appropriateness.  We all have to be thoughful when we purchase GNs and not let ratings be the be-all and end-all, but they ARE important and necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Brenner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Brenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amy, that&#039;s a wonderful example of partnering with your local comics store.  It&#039;s a great way to help them out, of course, with business but also to give credit where credit  is due in terms of expertise.  I also find that my local comics folks can recommend titles I would never have heard of otherwise given how much journals can miss the smaller, indie titles that are nonetheless great for my collection.  I always give the comics store down the street credit for turning me on to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atomic-robo.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Atomic Robo&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amy, that&#8217;s a wonderful example of partnering with your local comics store.  It&#8217;s a great way to help them out, of course, with business but also to give credit where credit  is due in terms of expertise.  I also find that my local comics folks can recommend titles I would never have heard of otherwise given how much journals can miss the smaller, indie titles that are nonetheless great for my collection.  I always give the comics store down the street credit for turning me on to <a href="http://www.atomic-robo.com/" rel="nofollow">Atomic Robo</a>.</p>
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