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		<title>By: a teacher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2767</link>
		<dc:creator>a teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see what you mean, I just obviously wasn&#039;t as bothered by it as you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see what you mean, I just obviously wasn&#8217;t as bothered by it as you!</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2768</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>response to &#039;a teacher&#039;

It wasn&#039;t me as a reader being duped that I objected to -- it was Katniss being robbed of her empowered role in the Games and so the story.  In the first book, though strings were attached to her situation... she refused to act like &#039;a good little puppet&#039; except when it served her own purposes.  In the second book -- just about everyone pulled at strings and she just danced along (being duped).  That&#039;s what felt like a disservice to the savvy protagonist I&#039;d become attached to. (And I&#039;m sure it was all to set up BIG THINGS in the third book... but still.)</description>
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<p>It wasn&#8217;t me as a reader being duped that I objected to &#8212; it was Katniss being robbed of her empowered role in the Games and so the story.  In the first book, though strings were attached to her situation&#8230; she refused to act like &#8216;a good little puppet&#8217; except when it served her own purposes.  In the second book &#8212; just about everyone pulled at strings and she just danced along (being duped).  That&#8217;s what felt like a disservice to the savvy protagonist I&#8217;d become attached to. (And I&#8217;m sure it was all to set up BIG THINGS in the third book&#8230; but still.)</p>
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		<title>By: a teacher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2769</link>
		<dc:creator>a teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LM: &quot;Catching Fire pissed me off. Because one naturally identifies with the heroine -- and she was being duped. I felt manipulated and robbed of the experience of surviving the games through smarts and will (as Katniss had survived the first time round).&quot;

I think Suzanne Collins laid out enough &quot;hints&quot; throughout the book so that a reader shouldn&#039;t have been too surprised to learn that Katniss had been &quot;duped&quot;. When she was first introduced to Plutarch . . . When Finnick and Johanna saved Peeta in the arena . . . 

I don&#039;t think Collins purposefully intended on tricking the reader in the end, thus ruining their reading experience, I think she gave the readers clues to figure out that something big was brewing that Katniss was not privy to.

I LOVED CATCHING FIRE. I just hope we&#039;re not let down by how awesome the third installment COULD be . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LM: &#8220;Catching Fire pissed me off. Because one naturally identifies with the heroine &#8212; and she was being duped. I felt manipulated and robbed of the experience of surviving the games through smarts and will (as Katniss had survived the first time round).&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Suzanne Collins laid out enough &#8220;hints&#8221; throughout the book so that a reader shouldn&#8217;t have been too surprised to learn that Katniss had been &#8220;duped&#8221;. When she was first introduced to Plutarch . . . When Finnick and Johanna saved Peeta in the arena . . . </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Collins purposefully intended on tricking the reader in the end, thus ruining their reading experience, I think she gave the readers clues to figure out that something big was brewing that Katniss was not privy to.</p>
<p>I LOVED CATCHING FIRE. I just hope we&#8217;re not let down by how awesome the third installment COULD be . . .</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2770</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nina, Yes, I think it varies by what you come to the book looking for AND the POV you prefer to take as a reader.

An author-friend of mine enjoyed Catching Fire immensely. When we hashed over our differing opinions it became clear that she tends to take the &#039;world view&#039; of the story and so was facinated by the handler&#039;s choices, the political moves of the Game&#039;s organizers, the public&#039;s reactions, Katniss&#039; role in the mileau, etc.  Whereas, I&#039;m right in there with the protangonist, world-view-be-damned, and like to experience the book on a narrower, more personal level.  

I can see how one&#039;s prefered reading POV also leads to the very different takes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nina, Yes, I think it varies by what you come to the book looking for AND the POV you prefer to take as a reader.</p>
<p>An author-friend of mine enjoyed Catching Fire immensely. When we hashed over our differing opinions it became clear that she tends to take the &#8216;world view&#8217; of the story and so was facinated by the handler&#8217;s choices, the political moves of the Game&#8217;s organizers, the public&#8217;s reactions, Katniss&#8217; role in the mileau, etc.  Whereas, I&#8217;m right in there with the protangonist, world-view-be-damned, and like to experience the book on a narrower, more personal level.  </p>
<p>I can see how one&#8217;s prefered reading POV also leads to the very different takes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2771</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LM, I find it so interesting these &quot;opposite&quot; responses...turns out there are several people in each camp. I think it says a lot about what people come to a story wanting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LM, I find it so interesting these &#8220;opposite&#8221; responses&#8230;turns out there are several people in each camp. I think it says a lot about what people come to a story wanting.</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nina, I thinks it&#039;s interesting that I had the exact opposite reaction to Hunger Games and Catching Fire -- enjoying the first and feeling wholly mainipulated and truly disappointed by the second.

Last year, I was happily pulled through the story by the enterprising Katniss as her unlucky background (premature family provider, illegal hunter) morphed into her lucky experience on the deadly playing field. Hers was a tortured but believable transformation.  And the &quot;love story as theater&quot; rang true to me as well -- given the reality show prevalence we live with.

This time round (SPOILER ALERT) in Catching Fire, since nearly everything Katniss did she was tricked into doing, her moral choices were completely muddy and the love story moved from Gladiator-like theater to more of a staged soap opera...  Eh.

I dunno.  Catching Fire pissed me off.  Because one naturally identifies with the heroine -- and she was being duped. I felt manipulated and robbed of the experience of surviving the games through smarts and will (as Katniss had survived the first time round).

It was like the second book was one huge, convoluted, drawn-out set-up for the REAL earnest battle coming in the third book. The handler &#039;played her&#039; -- and all Katniss&#039; inner dialogue (in retrospect -- and you HAVE to replay everything in your head once you find out who the real good guys and bad guys are) her inner dialogue and logic was all actually for naught. It was wrongheaded. Her survival and triumph through self-reliance is illustionary.  Not good for a heroine.

Consequently, Catching Fire was a much less compelling read for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nina, I thinks it&#8217;s interesting that I had the exact opposite reaction to Hunger Games and Catching Fire &#8212; enjoying the first and feeling wholly mainipulated and truly disappointed by the second.</p>
<p>Last year, I was happily pulled through the story by the enterprising Katniss as her unlucky background (premature family provider, illegal hunter) morphed into her lucky experience on the deadly playing field. Hers was a tortured but believable transformation.  And the &#8220;love story as theater&#8221; rang true to me as well &#8212; given the reality show prevalence we live with.</p>
<p>This time round (SPOILER ALERT) in Catching Fire, since nearly everything Katniss did she was tricked into doing, her moral choices were completely muddy and the love story moved from Gladiator-like theater to more of a staged soap opera&#8230;  Eh.</p>
<p>I dunno.  Catching Fire pissed me off.  Because one naturally identifies with the heroine &#8212; and she was being duped. I felt manipulated and robbed of the experience of surviving the games through smarts and will (as Katniss had survived the first time round).</p>
<p>It was like the second book was one huge, convoluted, drawn-out set-up for the REAL earnest battle coming in the third book. The handler &#8216;played her&#8217; &#8212; and all Katniss&#8217; inner dialogue (in retrospect &#8212; and you HAVE to replay everything in your head once you find out who the real good guys and bad guys are) her inner dialogue and logic was all actually for naught. It was wrongheaded. Her survival and triumph through self-reliance is illustionary.  Not good for a heroine.</p>
<p>Consequently, Catching Fire was a much less compelling read for me.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2773</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the expansion of themes made me like this less than HG.  HG was tighter and more focused.  There were bigger themes, but it was most successful at putting you into the shoes of the girl and sharing her fear, anger, and terrible choices.  This time you were watching her from the outside more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the expansion of themes made me like this less than HG.  HG was tighter and more focused.  There were bigger themes, but it was most successful at putting you into the shoes of the girl and sharing her fear, anger, and terrible choices.  This time you were watching her from the outside more.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Edwards</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2009/10/29/catching-fire-2/#comment-2774</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Nina, you nailed it for me when you talk about the impatience I felt with the individual words and yet always wanting to keep reading to find what happened. It&#039;s this response that really keeps the book off my personal Newbery table.  For me, a Newbery has to be enjoyable along the way -- with interesting characters, events and narration that hold me riveted and reward my return to them time and again. Even after I know what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Nina, you nailed it for me when you talk about the impatience I felt with the individual words and yet always wanting to keep reading to find what happened. It&#8217;s this response that really keeps the book off my personal Newbery table.  For me, a Newbery has to be enjoyable along the way &#8212; with interesting characters, events and narration that hold me riveted and reward my return to them time and again. Even after I know what happens.</p>
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