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	<title>Comments on: The Sibert and The Newbery</title>
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		<title>By: Phillip Hoose</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/01/21/the-sibert-and-the-newbery-2/#comment-1966</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Hoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess.  I got hooked on &quot;Heavy Medal&quot; about a month ago, and it soon became a part of my day. I read it each morning after a night&#039;s harvest of comments had come in.  Of course I was eager to see how Claudette had fared overnight, but I also banked up the heat of the discussions to get me warm up here in Maine. I learned so much!  I&#039;ll miss you both, Jonathan and Nina. I&#039;ll miss the quick-to-respond Wendy and all the others who wieghed in so frequently and so well.  It is wonderful to be part of this passionate, literate,tradition-rich, caring community.
I wish you both, and all your readers, happy times until next season, when you can bet I&#039;ll be right back at my post. 
Happy winter!  Phillip Hoose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess.  I got hooked on &#8220;Heavy Medal&#8221; about a month ago, and it soon became a part of my day. I read it each morning after a night&#8217;s harvest of comments had come in.  Of course I was eager to see how Claudette had fared overnight, but I also banked up the heat of the discussions to get me warm up here in Maine. I learned so much!  I&#8217;ll miss you both, Jonathan and Nina. I&#8217;ll miss the quick-to-respond Wendy and all the others who wieghed in so frequently and so well.  It is wonderful to be part of this passionate, literate,tradition-rich, caring community.<br />
I wish you both, and all your readers, happy times until next season, when you can bet I&#8217;ll be right back at my post.<br />
Happy winter!  Phillip Hoose</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/01/21/the-sibert-and-the-newbery-2/#comment-1967</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess what I&#039;m trying to say is that I am not advocating for putting books in Newbery consideration simply because they provide diversity of one kind or another, but I would hope that diversity would, in fact, arise organically out of the process, and when it doesn&#039;t, I get crabby.  That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say is that I am not advocating for putting books in Newbery consideration simply because they provide diversity of one kind or another, but I would hope that diversity would, in fact, arise organically out of the process, and when it doesn&#8217;t, I get crabby.  That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/01/21/the-sibert-and-the-newbery-2/#comment-1968</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then there&#039;s diversity.  The 00s gave us an African American Medalist and two Asian American Medalists.  The 90s seem pretty white in comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s diversity.  The 00s gave us an African American Medalist and two Asian American Medalists.  The 90s seem pretty white in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/01/21/the-sibert-and-the-newbery-2/#comment-1969</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, A GATHERING OF DAYS is historical fiction and I do think it is the prototype for the Dear America series, which controversially blurred the line between fiction and nonfiction.  I don&#039;t think A GATHERING OF DAYS has the problems that people criticized in Dear America, however.  THE ROAD FROM HOME is catalogued in nonfiction in my public library and yet the book is a fictionalized autobiography.  The author is telling his mother&#039;s story in first person.

GOOD MASTERS! is certainly informational, but the monologues which comprise the majority of the book are historical fiction, just as much so as THE ROAD FROM HOME and A GATHERING OF DAYS, in fact.  The truly informational parts are the notes and sidebars and such that contain informational text.  While the entire book does inform about the middle ages, I do not believe the book would have been ruled eligible for the Sibert Medal because poetry is not eligible.

Ditto for CARVER.  Yes, it&#039;s informational, but I would not classify it with either fiction or nonfiction (although it partakes of both), but rather . . . simply poetry.  I do think that nonfiction--other nonfiction--can be written in poetry, but it must adhere to nonfiction standards of documentation and the like.

It&#039;s not just the nonfiction (informational, poetry, and folklore) I like about the 80s.  They have YA novels like JACOB HAVE I LOVED and THE HERO AND THE CROWN.  They have transitional books like SARAH PLAIN AND TALL and THE WHIPPING BOY. They have a couple of picture books, too.

The diversity of the 80s gave way to the homogeneity of the 90s, the decade that Anita Silvey praised so heavily in her article, because it offered up one middle grade novel after another.  (The 00s did do much better than the 90s with three nonfiction, two poetry books, one transitional book, and a picture book.)

I don&#039;t think there should be a certain proportion of nonfiction or picture books or poetry or whatever, but the virtual absence of any of these genres gives me pause.  Now you may actually believe that all those middle grade fiction novels in the 90s really were the best books of the year (just like you may really believe that HOMER P. FIGG is better than MOONSHOT or MARCHING FOR FREEDOM this year).  But if you believe that I&#039;ve got a bridge in Broo . . . I&#039;m gonna sell you this load of crap, too: THE LION &amp; THE MOUSE by Jerry Pinkney is the first book by an individual African American artist worthy of the Caldecott Medal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, A GATHERING OF DAYS is historical fiction and I do think it is the prototype for the Dear America series, which controversially blurred the line between fiction and nonfiction.  I don&#8217;t think A GATHERING OF DAYS has the problems that people criticized in Dear America, however.  THE ROAD FROM HOME is catalogued in nonfiction in my public library and yet the book is a fictionalized autobiography.  The author is telling his mother&#8217;s story in first person.</p>
<p>GOOD MASTERS! is certainly informational, but the monologues which comprise the majority of the book are historical fiction, just as much so as THE ROAD FROM HOME and A GATHERING OF DAYS, in fact.  The truly informational parts are the notes and sidebars and such that contain informational text.  While the entire book does inform about the middle ages, I do not believe the book would have been ruled eligible for the Sibert Medal because poetry is not eligible.</p>
<p>Ditto for CARVER.  Yes, it&#8217;s informational, but I would not classify it with either fiction or nonfiction (although it partakes of both), but rather . . . simply poetry.  I do think that nonfiction&#8211;other nonfiction&#8211;can be written in poetry, but it must adhere to nonfiction standards of documentation and the like.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just the nonfiction (informational, poetry, and folklore) I like about the 80s.  They have YA novels like JACOB HAVE I LOVED and THE HERO AND THE CROWN.  They have transitional books like SARAH PLAIN AND TALL and THE WHIPPING BOY. They have a couple of picture books, too.</p>
<p>The diversity of the 80s gave way to the homogeneity of the 90s, the decade that Anita Silvey praised so heavily in her article, because it offered up one middle grade novel after another.  (The 00s did do much better than the 90s with three nonfiction, two poetry books, one transitional book, and a picture book.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there should be a certain proportion of nonfiction or picture books or poetry or whatever, but the virtual absence of any of these genres gives me pause.  Now you may actually believe that all those middle grade fiction novels in the 90s really were the best books of the year (just like you may really believe that HOMER P. FIGG is better than MOONSHOT or MARCHING FOR FREEDOM this year).  But if you believe that I&#8217;ve got a bridge in Broo . . . I&#8217;m gonna sell you this load of crap, too: THE LION &#038; THE MOUSE by Jerry Pinkney is the first book by an individual African American artist worthy of the Caldecott Medal.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not getting whatever point you&#039;re trying to make about A Gathering of Days. It&#039;s historical fiction, neither more or less, isn&#039;t it? (I think to say it &quot;is&quot; Dear America is pretty dismissive, but that&#039;s a different conversation.)

I know Schlitz&#039;s Newbery speech rubbed many people the wrong way, but I&#039;m only interested in the text, and I&#039;d consider that book informational--at least, informational enough--because it provides straight up nonfiction information about the time periods. Why not consider it an &quot;informational&quot; book with illustrative poems instead of a book of poems with supplementary information? That&#039;s how I think of it--though I&#039;m not sure one could say that one or the other is Right.

Now, what makes you leery of Carver as nonfiction/informational? I was talking with someone who couldn&#039;t agree with the new Bob Marley book as nonfiction simply because it was poetry, but I don&#039;t see why the form should decide that, why poetry can&#039;t be a way of expressing information.

I just don&#039;t agree with &quot;that&#039;s the way every decade should look&quot;--I hope committees continue considering nonfiction seriously and would especially like to see some non-historical nonfiction honored (I looked once, and could only find one nonfiction title in the entire list that sounded like it might not be history, an art book), I&#039;m only interested in whether they are honoring the best of the best, and i don&#039;t think there &quot;should&quot; be a certain proportion of nonfiction.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not getting whatever point you&#8217;re trying to make about A Gathering of Days. It&#8217;s historical fiction, neither more or less, isn&#8217;t it? (I think to say it &#8220;is&#8221; Dear America is pretty dismissive, but that&#8217;s a different conversation.)</p>
<p>I know Schlitz&#8217;s Newbery speech rubbed many people the wrong way, but I&#8217;m only interested in the text, and I&#8217;d consider that book informational&#8211;at least, informational enough&#8211;because it provides straight up nonfiction information about the time periods. Why not consider it an &#8220;informational&#8221; book with illustrative poems instead of a book of poems with supplementary information? That&#8217;s how I think of it&#8211;though I&#8217;m not sure one could say that one or the other is Right.</p>
<p>Now, what makes you leery of Carver as nonfiction/informational? I was talking with someone who couldn&#8217;t agree with the new Bob Marley book as nonfiction simply because it was poetry, but I don&#8217;t see why the form should decide that, why poetry can&#8217;t be a way of expressing information.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t agree with &#8220;that&#8217;s the way every decade should look&#8221;&#8211;I hope committees continue considering nonfiction seriously and would especially like to see some non-historical nonfiction honored (I looked once, and could only find one nonfiction title in the entire list that sounded like it might not be history, an art book), I&#8217;m only interested in whether they are honoring the best of the best, and i don&#8217;t think there &#8220;should&#8221; be a certain proportion of nonfiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/01/21/the-sibert-and-the-newbery-2/#comment-1971</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, A GATHERING OF DAYS is Dear America before that series became popular.  THE ROAD HOME is the story of the author&#039;s mother.  It&#039;s a fictionalized biography.  I don&#039;t consider either of them nonfiction which is why they are not listed as such.

On the other hand, I am leery of counting CARVER and GOOD MASTERS! as informational books.  Yes, they both use poetry in service of history and the latter, in particular, is a hybrid of poetry, monologue, and nonfiction, but I worry that too many people like to list these as nonfiction because &quot;a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.&quot;  In other words, isn&#039;t it lovely to have something to make those dry facts not so dry?  And didn&#039;t Schlitz say as much in her Newbery Medal speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, A GATHERING OF DAYS is Dear America before that series became popular.  THE ROAD HOME is the story of the author&#8217;s mother.  It&#8217;s a fictionalized biography.  I don&#8217;t consider either of them nonfiction which is why they are not listed as such.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am leery of counting CARVER and GOOD MASTERS! as informational books.  Yes, they both use poetry in service of history and the latter, in particular, is a hybrid of poetry, monologue, and nonfiction, but I worry that too many people like to list these as nonfiction because &#8220;a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down.&#8221;  In other words, isn&#8217;t it lovely to have something to make those dry facts not so dry?  And didn&#8217;t Schlitz say as much in her Newbery Medal speech?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Striving for the effect of nonfiction&quot;? Come on, that&#039;s not even in question! But I think Good Masters, Sweet Ladies and Carver ARE informational (rather than just non-fiction).

I still have doubts about Almost Astronauts and &quot;excellent use of language&quot;, &quot;appropriate organization and documentation&quot; (I found the organization sort of muddled, and others have commented about documentation), and the &quot;supportive features&quot; (which weren&#039;t anything special, though I don&#039;t think a lot of this is necessary in every book). Overall, I just thought the book was not very well-written in comparison to either Claudette Colvin or Marching For Freedom.

I rolled my eyes at the book a lot. And there were a couple of things I thought were downright ridiculous--like when Stone uses media comparisons to show how women&#039;s roles have changed. Leave it to Beaver, sure. Later, Mary Tyler Moore, sure. Her examples for 1999? I think she mentioned Cagney and Lacey (off the air since 1988), Friends (not exactly a bastion of feminism), and Mr. Mom (1983). Stone wasn&#039;t listing TV and movies that had come along since the 1970s; she wrote that these were what was showing at the time. One way or another (either writing or research), that was pretty careless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Striving for the effect of nonfiction&#8221;? Come on, that&#8217;s not even in question! But I think Good Masters, Sweet Ladies and Carver ARE informational (rather than just non-fiction).</p>
<p>I still have doubts about Almost Astronauts and &#8220;excellent use of language&#8221;, &#8220;appropriate organization and documentation&#8221; (I found the organization sort of muddled, and others have commented about documentation), and the &#8220;supportive features&#8221; (which weren&#8217;t anything special, though I don&#8217;t think a lot of this is necessary in every book). Overall, I just thought the book was not very well-written in comparison to either Claudette Colvin or Marching For Freedom.</p>
<p>I rolled my eyes at the book a lot. And there were a couple of things I thought were downright ridiculous&#8211;like when Stone uses media comparisons to show how women&#8217;s roles have changed. Leave it to Beaver, sure. Later, Mary Tyler Moore, sure. Her examples for 1999? I think she mentioned Cagney and Lacey (off the air since 1988), Friends (not exactly a bastion of feminism), and Mr. Mom (1983). Stone wasn&#8217;t listing TV and movies that had come along since the 1970s; she wrote that these were what was showing at the time. One way or another (either writing or research), that was pretty careless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if we&#039;re talking nonfiction rather than informational then I think the 80s still has the 00s beat.

1989 JOYFUL NOISE (poetry)
1989 IN THE BEGINNING (folklore)
1988 LINCOLN 
1987 VOLCANO 
1986 COMMODORE PERRY 
1984 SUGARING TIME 
1983 HOMESICK (memoir) 
1982 A VISIT TO WILLIAM BLAKE&#039;S INN (poetry)
1982 UPON THE HEAD OF A GOAT (memoir)

And that&#039;s not including A GATHERING OF DAYS and THE ROAD HOME which are technically fiction, but strive for the effect of nonfiction.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if we&#8217;re talking nonfiction rather than informational then I think the 80s still has the 00s beat.</p>
<p>1989 JOYFUL NOISE (poetry)<br />
1989 IN THE BEGINNING (folklore)<br />
1988 LINCOLN<br />
1987 VOLCANO<br />
1986 COMMODORE PERRY<br />
1984 SUGARING TIME<br />
1983 HOMESICK (memoir)<br />
1982 A VISIT TO WILLIAM BLAKE&#8217;S INN (poetry)<br />
1982 UPON THE HEAD OF A GOAT (memoir)</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not including A GATHERING OF DAYS and THE ROAD HOME which are technically fiction, but strive for the effect of nonfiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, a modest correction.  I&#039;d only listed the books that were crossover Newbery/Sibert honorees, but I&#039;d also include GOOD MASTERS SWEET LADIES and CARVER as nonfiction for this decade...which isn&#039;t over until the end of 2010. So this decade&#039;s nonfiction Newberys are actually:

2010 CLAUDETTE COLVIN
2008 GOOD MASTERS! SWEET LADIES!
2006 HITLER YOUTH
2005 THE VOICE THAT CHALLENGED A NATION
2004 AN AMERICAN PLAGUE
2002 CARVER: A LIFE IN POEMS

Right up there with the good ole 80s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, a modest correction.  I&#8217;d only listed the books that were crossover Newbery/Sibert honorees, but I&#8217;d also include GOOD MASTERS SWEET LADIES and CARVER as nonfiction for this decade&#8230;which isn&#8217;t over until the end of 2010. So this decade&#8217;s nonfiction Newberys are actually:</p>
<p>2010 CLAUDETTE COLVIN<br />
2008 GOOD MASTERS! SWEET LADIES!<br />
2006 HITLER YOUTH<br />
2005 THE VOICE THAT CHALLENGED A NATION<br />
2004 AN AMERICAN PLAGUE<br />
2002 CARVER: A LIFE IN POEMS</p>
<p>Right up there with the good ole 80s</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonfiction Newbery Books by Decade

2010 CLAUDETTE COLVIN

2006 HITLER YOUTH
2005 THE VOICE THAT CHALLENGED A NATION
2004 AN AMERICAN PLAGUE

1996 THE GREAT FIRE
1994 ELEANOR ROOSEVELT
1992 THE WRIGHT BROTHERS

1988 LINCOLN
1987 VOLCANO
1986 COMMODORE PERRY
1984 SUGARING TIME
1983 HOMESICK (memoir)
1982 UPON THE HEAD OF A GOAT (memoir)

While there was an eight year gap between THE GREAT FIRE and AN AMERICAN PLAGUE, I actually think the 1980s were the best decade for Newbery nonfiction: one medal, five honors.  That&#039;s the way every decade should look.  The twenty teens have gotten off to a good start.  Let&#039;s hope it continues.


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<p>2010 CLAUDETTE COLVIN</p>
<p>2006 HITLER YOUTH<br />
2005 THE VOICE THAT CHALLENGED A NATION<br />
2004 AN AMERICAN PLAGUE</p>
<p>1996 THE GREAT FIRE<br />
1994 ELEANOR ROOSEVELT<br />
1992 THE WRIGHT BROTHERS</p>
<p>1988 LINCOLN<br />
1987 VOLCANO<br />
1986 COMMODORE PERRY<br />
1984 SUGARING TIME<br />
1983 HOMESICK (memoir)<br />
1982 UPON THE HEAD OF A GOAT (memoir)</p>
<p>While there was an eight year gap between THE GREAT FIRE and AN AMERICAN PLAGUE, I actually think the 1980s were the best decade for Newbery nonfiction: one medal, five honors.  That&#8217;s the way every decade should look.  The twenty teens have gotten off to a good start.  Let&#8217;s hope it continues.</p>
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