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		<title>By: Monica Edinger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10292</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Edinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but he represents Hetty in his autobiography as the woman of his dreams, unlike any of the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but he represents Hetty in his autobiography as the woman of his dreams, unlike any of the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10291</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I didn&#039;t wonder at all.  He included all the wives, but none of the dating relationships.  Purviance is in the book, but Fleischman discusses her more as a co-star than as a girlfriend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I didn&#8217;t wonder at all.  He included all the wives, but none of the dating relationships.  Purviance is in the book, but Fleischman discusses her more as a co-star than as a girlfriend.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Edinger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10287</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Edinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did wonder why Fleischman left Hetty out of his biography.  Chaplin gives her quite a bit of attention in his autobiography. As I recall (I&#039;m on the train so don&#039;t have the book with me), he was excited about seeing her again when he first returned to England and was quite upset to find she died in the flu pandemic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did wonder why Fleischman left Hetty out of his biography.  Chaplin gives her quite a bit of attention in his autobiography. As I recall (I&#8217;m on the train so don&#8217;t have the book with me), he was excited about seeing her again when he first returned to England and was quite upset to find she died in the flu pandemic.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Edinger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10286</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Edinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did wonder why Fleischman left Hetty out of his biography.  Chaplin gives her quite a bit of attention in his autobiography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did wonder why Fleischman left Hetty out of his biography.  Chaplin gives her quite a bit of attention in his autobiography.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10267</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case anyone is still curious about the ages of Chaplin&#039;s wives/SOs, I checked with the Robinson biography, which seems to be the authoritative work on Chaplin. 

Paulette Goddard was married at 16, but not to Chaplin. She married and divorced Edgar James in the same year, and did not meet Chaplin until she was 21.

Mildred Harris was 16 when she met Chaplin. They became romantic when she was 17, and married when she was 17. (Of interest, Robinson simply refers to Mildred&#039;s non-pregnancy as a &quot;false alarm&quot;. Felischman seems to characterize it as more of a trap. Robinson does say, though, &quot;For her part, Mildred seems to have made knowing use of her golden hair, blue eyes and flirtatious prattle. She was presumably not discouraged by her mother....&quot; p.245)

Lita Grey had a part in The Kid when she was twelve. She and Chaplin married four years later.

Oona O&#039;Neill was 17 when they met, and they waited until she was 18 to get married so that they would not need parental consent.

Edna Purviance was 19 or 20 when she first met Chaplin. She was living on her own in San Francisco, and had had at least one serious love affair before Chaplin.

Another interesting aspect in the Robinson bio is Chaplin&#039;s infatuation, when he was 19, with a girl named Hetty Kelly, who was 15. It was brief, and possibly ended by Hetty&#039;s mother, but it left a mark on Chaplin. Robinson implies that Chaplin&#039;s interest in younger women/girls may have been linked to Hetty Kelly. Just speculation, but of the affair, Chaplin said, &#039;What happened was the inevitable. After all, the episode was but a childish infatuation to her, but to me it was the beginning of a spiritual development, a reaching out for beauty.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case anyone is still curious about the ages of Chaplin&#8217;s wives/SOs, I checked with the Robinson biography, which seems to be the authoritative work on Chaplin. </p>
<p>Paulette Goddard was married at 16, but not to Chaplin. She married and divorced Edgar James in the same year, and did not meet Chaplin until she was 21.</p>
<p>Mildred Harris was 16 when she met Chaplin. They became romantic when she was 17, and married when she was 17. (Of interest, Robinson simply refers to Mildred&#8217;s non-pregnancy as a &#8220;false alarm&#8221;. Felischman seems to characterize it as more of a trap. Robinson does say, though, &#8220;For her part, Mildred seems to have made knowing use of her golden hair, blue eyes and flirtatious prattle. She was presumably not discouraged by her mother&#8230;.&#8221; p.245)</p>
<p>Lita Grey had a part in The Kid when she was twelve. She and Chaplin married four years later.</p>
<p>Oona O&#8217;Neill was 17 when they met, and they waited until she was 18 to get married so that they would not need parental consent.</p>
<p>Edna Purviance was 19 or 20 when she first met Chaplin. She was living on her own in San Francisco, and had had at least one serious love affair before Chaplin.</p>
<p>Another interesting aspect in the Robinson bio is Chaplin&#8217;s infatuation, when he was 19, with a girl named Hetty Kelly, who was 15. It was brief, and possibly ended by Hetty&#8217;s mother, but it left a mark on Chaplin. Robinson implies that Chaplin&#8217;s interest in younger women/girls may have been linked to Hetty Kelly. Just speculation, but of the affair, Chaplin said, &#8216;What happened was the inevitable. After all, the episode was but a childish infatuation to her, but to me it was the beginning of a spiritual development, a reaching out for beauty.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to echo Wendy&#039;s point that nowhere in the text does Fleischman propose to argue and put forth evidence that Chaplin was indeed the funniest man in the world.  He&#039;s not writing an essay, but a biography, and the subtitle does not obligate him to argue and defend that position.  Indeed, Fleischman takes it as a given that Chaplin is funny, and spends little time trying to convince us--probably because he knows all the evidence we need is in the films and he could write oodles and oodles, and never capture the essence of Chaplin&#039;s onscreen brilliance.  Can you imagine this biography in 50 years . . . MICHAEL JACKSON; THE KING OF POP . . . Okay, kids, he *was* the King of Pop.  No, really.  He was.  I swear he was!  I&#039;ll prove it to you . . . blah, blah, blah . . . zzzzzzzz

SIR CHARLIE got four starred reviews, but Horn Book didn&#039;t even review it in the Magazine.  PW put it on their best books list (they normally only pick three longer nonfiction books so they are very selective).  It&#039;s likely Booklist will best it, meaning four stars, two lists, putting it decidedly middle of the pack in terms of a critical reception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to echo Wendy&#8217;s point that nowhere in the text does Fleischman propose to argue and put forth evidence that Chaplin was indeed the funniest man in the world.  He&#8217;s not writing an essay, but a biography, and the subtitle does not obligate him to argue and defend that position.  Indeed, Fleischman takes it as a given that Chaplin is funny, and spends little time trying to convince us&#8211;probably because he knows all the evidence we need is in the films and he could write oodles and oodles, and never capture the essence of Chaplin&#8217;s onscreen brilliance.  Can you imagine this biography in 50 years . . . MICHAEL JACKSON; THE KING OF POP . . . Okay, kids, he *was* the King of Pop.  No, really.  He was.  I swear he was!  I&#8217;ll prove it to you . . . blah, blah, blah . . . zzzzzzzz</p>
<p>SIR CHARLIE got four starred reviews, but Horn Book didn&#8217;t even review it in the Magazine.  PW put it on their best books list (they normally only pick three longer nonfiction books so they are very selective).  It&#8217;s likely Booklist will best it, meaning four stars, two lists, putting it decidedly middle of the pack in terms of a critical reception.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Edinger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10265</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Edinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. The book has racked up stars (the maximum possible I think) and all the reviews I&#039;ve seen have been glowing.  I checked goodreads too and most of the reviews seem very enthused.  So I do feel very much out of sync which is why I stayed quiet till now.  I also felt that being so close to the topic made me less objective. And so I tried in my post to focus on issues that might resonate with others.  Perhaps wanting it to communicate Charlie&#039;s humor is my issue, but I&#039;m not so sure. It also is connected to the child appeal issue.  And theme (as Mark pointed out).  

Yes, this post has a lot of comments, but most of them are  Jonathan and me debating with Mark and William jumping in a few times as well:)  All I can say is that I appreciate greatly the chance to have this conversation with others thinking hard about this book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. The book has racked up stars (the maximum possible I think) and all the reviews I&#8217;ve seen have been glowing.  I checked goodreads too and most of the reviews seem very enthused.  So I do feel very much out of sync which is why I stayed quiet till now.  I also felt that being so close to the topic made me less objective. And so I tried in my post to focus on issues that might resonate with others.  Perhaps wanting it to communicate Charlie&#8217;s humor is my issue, but I&#8217;m not so sure. It also is connected to the child appeal issue.  And theme (as Mark pointed out).  </p>
<p>Yes, this post has a lot of comments, but most of them are  Jonathan and me debating with Mark and William jumping in a few times as well:)  All I can say is that I appreciate greatly the chance to have this conversation with others thinking hard about this book.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10257</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(For instance, and FWIW: I have 21 books on my &quot;2010-award-possibilities&quot; Goodreads shelf right now, which doesn&#039;t mean I favor them for the award but that they&#039;ve come up at least occasionally in awards discussions. The average rating for Sir Charlie is the lowest by quite a bit.)

(Highest? City Dog, Country Frog. Highest non-picture/poetry is, not surprisingly, One Crazy Summer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(For instance, and FWIW: I have 21 books on my &#8220;2010-award-possibilities&#8221; Goodreads shelf right now, which doesn&#8217;t mean I favor them for the award but that they&#8217;ve come up at least occasionally in awards discussions. The average rating for Sir Charlie is the lowest by quite a bit.)</p>
<p>(Highest? City Dog, Country Frog. Highest non-picture/poetry is, not surprisingly, One Crazy Summer.)</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10256</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 13:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, Monica (and it&#039;s a good question), it&#039;s because I feel like the discussion is being held back by what seem to me minor or irrelevant concerns--and maybe also because I&#039;d like to see this amount of discourse on books that are more important to me for either &quot;love&quot; or &quot;dislike&quot; reasons. But, of course, that&#039;s all a matter of perspective; I know people think I get hung up on weird stuff sometimes, though it&#039;s always stuff that seems important to me. My personal dealbreakers are not others&#039;, and vice versa. I wish we were seeing more, and more in-depth, discussion about Countdown or Keeper or The Boneshaker, and heck, I could probably talk Kneebone Boy all day long, even though that did get plenty of attention here.

Also, I think it&#039;s interesting that you consider those who find this book &quot;flawed&quot; the minority--I feel like I&#039;ve seen much more negativity than love for this book. Again, I guess it&#039;s all about perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, Monica (and it&#8217;s a good question), it&#8217;s because I feel like the discussion is being held back by what seem to me minor or irrelevant concerns&#8211;and maybe also because I&#8217;d like to see this amount of discourse on books that are more important to me for either &#8220;love&#8221; or &#8220;dislike&#8221; reasons. But, of course, that&#8217;s all a matter of perspective; I know people think I get hung up on weird stuff sometimes, though it&#8217;s always stuff that seems important to me. My personal dealbreakers are not others&#8217;, and vice versa. I wish we were seeing more, and more in-depth, discussion about Countdown or Keeper or The Boneshaker, and heck, I could probably talk Kneebone Boy all day long, even though that did get plenty of attention here.</p>
<p>Also, I think it&#8217;s interesting that you consider those who find this book &#8220;flawed&#8221; the minority&#8211;I feel like I&#8217;ve seen much more negativity than love for this book. Again, I guess it&#8217;s all about perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica Edinger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2010/11/21/sir-charlie/#comment-10251</link>
		<dc:creator>Monica Edinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendy, why are you frustrated at all? Seems to me discussing and disagreeing here is all part of the game.  I spent most of yesterday on this which I had no business doing, but it was intellectually stimulating and I was pushed hard to articulate my issues clearly and in a way that others might understand.  

This book is highly praised which is why I finally decided to give my contrary and decidedly minority view.  So far there seems to be only a few of us on this minority plank so why not let us have our say?

Perhaps my reservations are all trees, but for me the forest is indeed flawed:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, why are you frustrated at all? Seems to me discussing and disagreeing here is all part of the game.  I spent most of yesterday on this which I had no business doing, but it was intellectually stimulating and I was pushed hard to articulate my issues clearly and in a way that others might understand.  </p>
<p>This book is highly praised which is why I finally decided to give my contrary and decidedly minority view.  So far there seems to be only a few of us on this minority plank so why not let us have our say?</p>
<p>Perhaps my reservations are all trees, but for me the forest is indeed flawed:)</p>
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