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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-37029</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it&#039;s probably too premature to call these criticisms (as I have only read the book once), but rather they are question marks for me--or potential concerns.  I want to better understand (a) how the pacing of the narrative works and (b) how the use of first person coupled with the complex narrative structure works.  Perhaps my potential concerns would be resolved with rereading and/or discussion--or perhaps they would grow worse.  I just don&#039;t know.

My point with first person narration is that no matter how skillfully it&#039;s written, it often requires the reader to willingly suspend disbelief--and I wouldn&#039;t necessarily say that&#039;s a weakness of first person, or that it&#039;s inherently worse than third person.  But if you start playing around with first person--the use of a distinctive, but striking voice; switches between first and third person narratives; switches between written and oral narratives--you increase the level of difficulty, and it opens up myriad possibilities for things to go wrong.  I agree that MWT handled it perfectly.  I&#039;d need a second reading of MOON OVER MANIFEST to be sure that Vanderpool did, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;s probably too premature to call these criticisms (as I have only read the book once), but rather they are question marks for me&#8211;or potential concerns.  I want to better understand (a) how the pacing of the narrative works and (b) how the use of first person coupled with the complex narrative structure works.  Perhaps my potential concerns would be resolved with rereading and/or discussion&#8211;or perhaps they would grow worse.  I just don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>My point with first person narration is that no matter how skillfully it&#8217;s written, it often requires the reader to willingly suspend disbelief&#8211;and I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily say that&#8217;s a weakness of first person, or that it&#8217;s inherently worse than third person.  But if you start playing around with first person&#8211;the use of a distinctive, but striking voice; switches between first and third person narratives; switches between written and oral narratives&#8211;you increase the level of difficulty, and it opens up myriad possibilities for things to go wrong.  I agree that MWT handled it perfectly.  I&#8217;d need a second reading of MOON OVER MANIFEST to be sure that Vanderpool did, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Bloom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36997</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang Sheryl - pretty harsh. Johnathan, I&#039;ll discuss Moon with you until the cows come home, and in addition I&#039;d be willing to take the blame for sucking the air out of the proverbial room. But in order to keep the peace (and to avoid the wrath of Sheryl), if you want you can email me if you&#039;d like to continue the discussion.

Just for the record, I think your criticisms of Moon were entirely fair... I just don&#039;t agree with them. And I definitely don&#039;t think you needed to bring CoK into this, especially to criticize mwt&#039;s choice of p.o.v. (which I think was note perfect). But anyway... I&#039;ll stop for now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang Sheryl &#8211; pretty harsh. Johnathan, I&#8217;ll discuss Moon with you until the cows come home, and in addition I&#8217;d be willing to take the blame for sucking the air out of the proverbial room. But in order to keep the peace (and to avoid the wrath of Sheryl), if you want you can email me if you&#8217;d like to continue the discussion.</p>
<p>Just for the record, I think your criticisms of Moon were entirely fair&#8230; I just don&#8217;t agree with them. And I definitely don&#8217;t think you needed to bring CoK into this, especially to criticize mwt&#8217;s choice of p.o.v. (which I think was note perfect). But anyway&#8230; I&#8217;ll stop for now!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36971</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked it out twice and returned it because deadlines for Horn Book reviews and Edwards committee reading prevented me from reading it at those times--and then I moved on to 2012 books which I read for various obligations (Heavy Medal, BER seminars).  Since Heavy Medal closed shop at the end of January, I wouldn&#039;t have posted about it before now, regardless of whether I read it on March 1 or September 1.  It&#039;s a free country, Sheryl, and nobody&#039;s going to force you to read a post and/or discuss a book that you really don&#039;t want to.  Why don&#039;t you move on to WONDERSTRUCK and leave a comment there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked it out twice and returned it because deadlines for Horn Book reviews and Edwards committee reading prevented me from reading it at those times&#8211;and then I moved on to 2012 books which I read for various obligations (Heavy Medal, BER seminars).  Since Heavy Medal closed shop at the end of January, I wouldn&#8217;t have posted about it before now, regardless of whether I read it on March 1 or September 1.  It&#8217;s a free country, Sheryl, and nobody&#8217;s going to force you to read a post and/or discuss a book that you really don&#8217;t want to.  Why don&#8217;t you move on to WONDERSTRUCK and leave a comment there?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36967</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 11:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan;  In your last post, Jan27, 2011, you were 2nd on the list to get a copy of MOM.   Yet by ALA June 28 you STILL hadn&#039;t read it.  Now it&#039;s Aug and time for HM 2012 and you decided to read it.  We&#039;re looking forward to Newbery 2012 discussion and here comes Jonathan sucking all the air out of the room wanting to discuss a book he only read a couple of weeks ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan;  In your last post, Jan27, 2011, you were 2nd on the list to get a copy of MOM.   Yet by ALA June 28 you STILL hadn&#8217;t read it.  Now it&#8217;s Aug and time for HM 2012 and you decided to read it.  We&#8217;re looking forward to Newbery 2012 discussion and here comes Jonathan sucking all the air out of the room wanting to discuss a book he only read a couple of weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36894</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And lest you think that I&#039;m being unfair in these criticisms, I&#039;ll remind you that A CONSPIRACY OF KINGS which I personally esteemed to be the most distinguished novel of the year also had a first person narrative--and also occasionally requires willing suspension of disbelief.  Just as I think oral narratives do not come close to Miss  Sadie&#039;s detailed account,  neither do I think most people are willing to write a novel length account of their adventures--even for their beloved.  Just as Ned&#039;s letters are conveniently dropped into the narrative so, too, does a third person narrator conveniently take up the tale when Sophos reaches the court of Attolia.  I don&#039;t have any problem with any of these, and it&#039;s the kind of willing suspension of disbelief that I think most authors can count on.   I guess it&#039;s my concerns listed in the third paragraph above that I would really need to resolve on a second reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And lest you think that I&#8217;m being unfair in these criticisms, I&#8217;ll remind you that A CONSPIRACY OF KINGS which I personally esteemed to be the most distinguished novel of the year also had a first person narrative&#8211;and also occasionally requires willing suspension of disbelief.  Just as I think oral narratives do not come close to Miss  Sadie&#8217;s detailed account,  neither do I think most people are willing to write a novel length account of their adventures&#8211;even for their beloved.  Just as Ned&#8217;s letters are conveniently dropped into the narrative so, too, does a third person narrator conveniently take up the tale when Sophos reaches the court of Attolia.  I don&#8217;t have any problem with any of these, and it&#8217;s the kind of willing suspension of disbelief that I think most authors can count on.   I guess it&#8217;s my concerns listed in the third paragraph above that I would really need to resolve on a second reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36891</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, let me say that I frequently find that first person narration requires willing suspension of disbelief--and I also frequently find no problem offering it (but not always).  In this case, Jinx&#039;s narrative is an oral narrative--a record of the continuing story that Miss Sadie is telling (I think there is at least one time when Shady takes over the story, no?)--but it is actually too detailed to be an oral narrative.  Nevertheless, the reader willingly accepts this as a reasonable substitute because the written narrative is much more satisfying than a true representation of an oral narrative.

On the other hand, Ned&#039;s letters represent the actual written letters, and they appear in the book not when Abilene reads them, but spaced evenly throughout the rest of the story to infuse Ned&#039;s story with more suspense for the reader.  More strings showing here.  

How is it that Miss Sadie can relate the stories of Jinx and Ned so intimately, anyway, when her identity in the 1918 narrative is concealed even from the town?  I guess the town folk could have exchanged stories about the two boys in the wake of their departures, especially when the secrets come to light, but there are still moments when the two characters are not in the presence of anybody else, for example, their first meeting in the woods.  How did Miss Sadie come to know that?  Then, too, how is it that Shady can seamlessly pick up the 1918 narrative from Miss Sadie and hand it back again?

So while I really enjoyed the complex narrative structure of the book, I&#039;d probably need a second reading to see whether it holds up under closer scrutiny.  Even if it doesn&#039;t, however, that doesn&#039;t dampen my enthusiasm for the book and I think most readers are quite willing to collude with Vanderpool and simply &quot;make it work.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, let me say that I frequently find that first person narration requires willing suspension of disbelief&#8211;and I also frequently find no problem offering it (but not always).  In this case, Jinx&#8217;s narrative is an oral narrative&#8211;a record of the continuing story that Miss Sadie is telling (I think there is at least one time when Shady takes over the story, no?)&#8211;but it is actually too detailed to be an oral narrative.  Nevertheless, the reader willingly accepts this as a reasonable substitute because the written narrative is much more satisfying than a true representation of an oral narrative.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Ned&#8217;s letters represent the actual written letters, and they appear in the book not when Abilene reads them, but spaced evenly throughout the rest of the story to infuse Ned&#8217;s story with more suspense for the reader.  More strings showing here.  </p>
<p>How is it that Miss Sadie can relate the stories of Jinx and Ned so intimately, anyway, when her identity in the 1918 narrative is concealed even from the town?  I guess the town folk could have exchanged stories about the two boys in the wake of their departures, especially when the secrets come to light, but there are still moments when the two characters are not in the presence of anybody else, for example, their first meeting in the woods.  How did Miss Sadie come to know that?  Then, too, how is it that Shady can seamlessly pick up the 1918 narrative from Miss Sadie and hand it back again?</p>
<p>So while I really enjoyed the complex narrative structure of the book, I&#8217;d probably need a second reading to see whether it holds up under closer scrutiny.  Even if it doesn&#8217;t, however, that doesn&#8217;t dampen my enthusiasm for the book and I think most readers are quite willing to collude with Vanderpool and simply &#8220;make it work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Bloom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36841</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 04:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnathan, thanks for sharing your thoughts on Moon - it&#039;s been a long time coming! I hear you about pacing concerns, but I&#039;m confused (and curious) when you say the dual narratives require willing suspension of disbelief - in what way? I found the dual narrative to be satisfyingly believable, despite the fact that I&#039;ve personally never had my fortune told (or my cards read).

Wendy, as a member of the 2011 Newbery committee - long may it run, oh greatest group of humanage ever assembled - I agree completely with your assessment of the 4 honor books as &quot;excellent,&quot; my only quibble being that you are underrating them! As for Moon being a puzzling choice... well, I may be biased, but I still find it to be an amazing and captivating read, many many (many) times over! To me the setting, above all else, stands out as Moon&#039;s most outstanding feature. Think about it: Clare actually had to build this setting twice - once in the present (Abilene&#039;s time) and once in the past (Jinx&#039;s time), and she more than succeeds on both counts. The story, with all of its layers and interwoven parts, comes together beautifully - so very well-plotted. The characters, as Johnathan mentioned, are drawn with fine detail, language that is beautiful and funny and heartbreaking in equal measure. I could probably go on for another few days, but (a) I&#039;ll bore you all to death, and (b) I&#039;ll wear out my welcome, and this is only post #2 of the new year - have to pace myself. Hurray for Heavy Medal - I&#039;m so glad I can actually join the conversation this year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnathan, thanks for sharing your thoughts on Moon &#8211; it&#8217;s been a long time coming! I hear you about pacing concerns, but I&#8217;m confused (and curious) when you say the dual narratives require willing suspension of disbelief &#8211; in what way? I found the dual narrative to be satisfyingly believable, despite the fact that I&#8217;ve personally never had my fortune told (or my cards read).</p>
<p>Wendy, as a member of the 2011 Newbery committee &#8211; long may it run, oh greatest group of humanage ever assembled &#8211; I agree completely with your assessment of the 4 honor books as &#8220;excellent,&#8221; my only quibble being that you are underrating them! As for Moon being a puzzling choice&#8230; well, I may be biased, but I still find it to be an amazing and captivating read, many many (many) times over! To me the setting, above all else, stands out as Moon&#8217;s most outstanding feature. Think about it: Clare actually had to build this setting twice &#8211; once in the present (Abilene&#8217;s time) and once in the past (Jinx&#8217;s time), and she more than succeeds on both counts. The story, with all of its layers and interwoven parts, comes together beautifully &#8211; so very well-plotted. The characters, as Johnathan mentioned, are drawn with fine detail, language that is beautiful and funny and heartbreaking in equal measure. I could probably go on for another few days, but (a) I&#8217;ll bore you all to death, and (b) I&#8217;ll wear out my welcome, and this is only post #2 of the new year &#8211; have to pace myself. Hurray for Heavy Medal &#8211; I&#8217;m so glad I can actually join the conversation this year!</p>
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		<title>By: DaNae</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36836</link>
		<dc:creator>DaNae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

I had several, maybe three, girls  and one boy read it right after it won.  I had many, many more check it out and not finish.  Of the ones that finished it they all really liked it.  At least that is what they told me.  On the other hand, I&#039;ve had a bunch of adults read it to great acclaim.  

I think one of its deterrents is that it is fairly long for a non-fantasy book.  (One of the mysteries of my job is how three or four inch fantasy books get read in droves while every other book of size is shunned.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>I had several, maybe three, girls  and one boy read it right after it won.  I had many, many more check it out and not finish.  Of the ones that finished it they all really liked it.  At least that is what they told me.  On the other hand, I&#8217;ve had a bunch of adults read it to great acclaim.  </p>
<p>I think one of its deterrents is that it is fairly long for a non-fantasy book.  (One of the mysteries of my job is how three or four inch fantasy books get read in droves while every other book of size is shunned.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Schultz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36772</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remembered that Moon Over Manifest is on a very popular list- our Middle School Battle of the Books list. The list came out at the end of May, so it&#039;s had healthy circulation since then. However, we shelve the book in our children&#039;s section (the middle school list tends to include books from the children&#039;s department and the YA department).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remembered that Moon Over Manifest is on a very popular list- our Middle School Battle of the Books list. The list came out at the end of May, so it&#8217;s had healthy circulation since then. However, we shelve the book in our children&#8217;s section (the middle school list tends to include books from the children&#8217;s department and the YA department).</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Schultz</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2011/09/08/moon-over-manifest/#comment-36767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had actually ordered Moon Over Manifest for our system when it came out, but never actually read it until it won the Newbery. I did think it was excellent and I don&#039;t quibble over its selection. However, I did not have a specific favorite for the Newbery last year that I really, really wanted to win. That actually is quite rare for me....I usually have 2-3 books that I would be happy for them to win, but rarely do I have one that I really, really, want to win. The last time that happened was for The Wednesday Wars, which, of course, did win the Honor. This year, there may be one book that I would love to win, but I really need to go back and reread it. I fell it in love with it instantly, but time may have calmed that feeling. 

As of now, all three copies of Moon Over Manifest are checked out. However, I have a suspicion that it was on some required summer reading lists this year (I could swear that it was, but I looked at so many lists this summer that I hesitate to say it definitely was) and this is because of last-minute readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had actually ordered Moon Over Manifest for our system when it came out, but never actually read it until it won the Newbery. I did think it was excellent and I don&#8217;t quibble over its selection. However, I did not have a specific favorite for the Newbery last year that I really, really wanted to win. That actually is quite rare for me&#8230;.I usually have 2-3 books that I would be happy for them to win, but rarely do I have one that I really, really, want to win. The last time that happened was for The Wednesday Wars, which, of course, did win the Honor. This year, there may be one book that I would love to win, but I really need to go back and reread it. I fell it in love with it instantly, but time may have calmed that feeling. </p>
<p>As of now, all three copies of Moon Over Manifest are checked out. However, I have a suspicion that it was on some required summer reading lists this year (I could swear that it was, but I looked at so many lists this summer that I hesitate to say it definitely was) and this is because of last-minute readers.</p>
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