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		<title>By: ALA Midwinter: SLJ Resources on the Youth Media Award Winners &#124; School Library Journal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-109927</link>
		<dc:creator>ALA Midwinter: SLJ Resources on the Youth Media Award Winners &#124; School Library Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No Crystal Stair: A Documentary Novel of the Life and Work of Lewis Michaux, Harlem Bookseller by Vaunda Micheaux Nelson, illustrated by R. Gregory Christie Carolrhoda Lab/Lerner Heavy Medal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103707</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103463</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, here&#039;s take two, since my little think aloud with FAULT/CODE/SERAPHINA didn&#039;t go too well.   For most of us when we read a certain book and decide it&#039;s too old it&#039;s a snap decision based on a holistic assessment, but from that we can probably pick out triggers (sex, language, violence, length, pacing, vocabulary, other child presentation issues) that make it seem appropriate for an older audience.  We may not agree--in fact, we probably won&#039;t--on what those triggers are.  I don&#039;t have a problem with any YA book being nominated and considered for the Newbery since I know that the consensus process has a way of weeding out most of them.  No, I would not reject a book solely on length.  If THE LOST CONSPIRACY by Frances Hardinge had been eligible, I would have been arguing for all 500+ pages of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here&#8217;s take two, since my little think aloud with FAULT/CODE/SERAPHINA didn&#8217;t go too well.   For most of us when we read a certain book and decide it&#8217;s too old it&#8217;s a snap decision based on a holistic assessment, but from that we can probably pick out triggers (sex, language, violence, length, pacing, vocabulary, other child presentation issues) that make it seem appropriate for an older audience.  We may not agree&#8211;in fact, we probably won&#8217;t&#8211;on what those triggers are.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with any YA book being nominated and considered for the Newbery since I know that the consensus process has a way of weeding out most of them.  No, I would not reject a book solely on length.  If THE LOST CONSPIRACY by Frances Hardinge had been eligible, I would have been arguing for all 500+ pages of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103438</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, you&#039;d really pass because a book is long?

Wendy, you&#039;re right about the logical fallacy in &quot;Is there any 14 year old this book would work for?&quot; ...if you take it as the only measure. Remember that it&#039;s just one question of many that you have to ask about a title.   Yeah, technically, the field is wide, and I think that&#039;s good.  If a committee member finds a title that they think might be distinguished under Newbery criteria, but is questionable about the age range...then &quot;Is there any 14 year old...&quot; become a useful question for them to ask themselves...and then with which to construct an argument to convince the committee.  They&#039;ll have to persuade others that there is a  readership of children for this book, and that it is so distinguished in comparison to others that it should be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, you&#8217;d really pass because a book is long?</p>
<p>Wendy, you&#8217;re right about the logical fallacy in &#8220;Is there any 14 year old this book would work for?&#8221; &#8230;if you take it as the only measure. Remember that it&#8217;s just one question of many that you have to ask about a title.   Yeah, technically, the field is wide, and I think that&#8217;s good.  If a committee member finds a title that they think might be distinguished under Newbery criteria, but is questionable about the age range&#8230;then &#8220;Is there any 14 year old&#8230;&#8221; become a useful question for them to ask themselves&#8230;and then with which to construct an argument to convince the committee.  They&#8217;ll have to persuade others that there is a  readership of children for this book, and that it is so distinguished in comparison to others that it should be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103433</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Augh, what makes CODE NAME VERITY a YA book isn&#039;t the age of the characters OR &quot;foul language&quot;; it&#039;s the sophistication of presentation, the narrative path the characters take, their expressed feelings about the world. Along with some fairly heavy themes and imagery. Part of what gets me a little overly riled whenever it is mentioned as a Newbery possibility is that I feel like that&#039;s almost disrespectful to YA. There IS a difference! And it&#039;s more than which books have characters having sex and which characters drop f-bombs. (Which is why I also get irritated with people who say there was no YA before The Outsiders and my beloved vintage books about 1950s teenagers are younger than YA.) 

As I complained last year in the discussion of CHIME, an interpretation of &quot;Is there any 14-year-old this book would work for?&quot; opens up not only ALL the YA, but every adult book out there. After all, what was the first adult book that you loved, and how old were you when you read it? I bet it was younger than 14 for almost everyone here. I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s a useful way of looking at the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Augh, what makes CODE NAME VERITY a YA book isn&#8217;t the age of the characters OR &#8220;foul language&#8221;; it&#8217;s the sophistication of presentation, the narrative path the characters take, their expressed feelings about the world. Along with some fairly heavy themes and imagery. Part of what gets me a little overly riled whenever it is mentioned as a Newbery possibility is that I feel like that&#8217;s almost disrespectful to YA. There IS a difference! And it&#8217;s more than which books have characters having sex and which characters drop f-bombs. (Which is why I also get irritated with people who say there was no YA before The Outsiders and my beloved vintage books about 1950s teenagers are younger than YA.) </p>
<p>As I complained last year in the discussion of CHIME, an interpretation of &#8220;Is there any 14-year-old this book would work for?&#8221; opens up not only ALL the YA, but every adult book out there. After all, what was the first adult book that you loved, and how old were you when you read it? I bet it was younger than 14 for almost everyone here. I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a useful way of looking at the question.</p>
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		<title>By: fairrosa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103429</link>
		<dc:creator>fairrosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alys, I have to say that Jonathan&#039;s latest comment in response to your query matches my own experiences and the current struggle quite well.  See, serving on the Newbery Committee is not just about reading, analyzing, and loving the books -- it is also about thinking strategically and being able to articulate your thoughts to convince your fellow committee members of the merits or flaws of those titles.  Unlike Jonathan, I don&#039;t count stars or even read all the reviews for all the books -- I want to form my own opinions and I want to read and hear from my fellow committee members.  Of course, discussion board like this one actually helps to clarify certain points but there are so many more titles that I have to think about than what&#039;s going to be on Heavy Medal or other mock Newbery lists, I have to be able to form my own solid opinions on each one.  That said, keeping an open mind and being willing to be persuaded by others will guarantee a better and more rewarding experience than locking down firmly on any title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alys, I have to say that Jonathan&#8217;s latest comment in response to your query matches my own experiences and the current struggle quite well.  See, serving on the Newbery Committee is not just about reading, analyzing, and loving the books &#8212; it is also about thinking strategically and being able to articulate your thoughts to convince your fellow committee members of the merits or flaws of those titles.  Unlike Jonathan, I don&#8217;t count stars or even read all the reviews for all the books &#8212; I want to form my own opinions and I want to read and hear from my fellow committee members.  Of course, discussion board like this one actually helps to clarify certain points but there are so many more titles that I have to think about than what&#8217;s going to be on Heavy Medal or other mock Newbery lists, I have to be able to form my own solid opinions on each one.  That said, keeping an open mind and being willing to be persuaded by others will guarantee a better and more rewarding experience than locking down firmly on any title.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alys, oh, I&#039;m not upset or offended in the least.  Let&#039;s chalk this up to one of those awkward internet exchanges where we can&#039;t read each others nonverbal cues at all.  When I responded to you earlier, I was thinking of our post with Thom Barthelmess about how the BG-HB award doesn&#039;t really have any criteria beyond eligibility--and yet many, if not most, of the winners would fit quite comfortably in the Newbery canon.  Mark says the canon would like quite different if we defined children as being up to 18, but I&#039;m not so sure. There are not a few ALSC members who would love to see the Newbery end at 12 rather than 14, people who would even now not vote for any of these 12-14 books like CARVER and CRISS CROSS.  Would they really vote for a 16-18 title, even if the criteria allowed for it?  I don&#039;t think so.

Here&#039;s how I might approach the situation.  THE FAULT IN OUR STARS, CODE NAME VERITY, and SERAPHINA all have six starred reviews--and they all have readers in the 12-14 age range.  All of these books are long which is one thing that discourages me from suggesting any of them.  I think the characters in CODE NAME VERITY are past high school, no?  And isn&#039;t there some foul language?  I&#039;ll pass.  SERAPHINA and THE FAULT IN OUR STARS have sixteen-year-old main characters and there are quite a few of those in the canon, books like HATTIE BIG SKY and HOPE WAS HERE and SOMEWHERE IN THE DARKNESS.  But again with THE FAULT IN OUR STARS we have the language and some mild sex, so I&#039;ll pass on this one, too.  SERAPHINA would be the most likely contender for me, and I might suggest it, but I don&#039;t think it does for the 12-14 reader what THE FALSE PRINCE does for ages 9-12 so I can&#039;t really get very serious about spending one of my nominations on it.

Once a YA title gets suggested then it obligates the other committee members to read it.  The ones that read it and find that it is (a) distinguished and (b) suitable for the age range may also suggest it.  The more suggestions a book receives, the more likely the book is to get a nomination in the fall.  However, some YA titles may make it onto the final nomination list with only one to two people behind it.  They have a long road ahead of them to convince other committee members to get behind that book (as opposed to other titles which have broader support).  You can see, then, why committee members would pick their age battles with care.  Personally, I&#039;ve only read two books in this 12-14 range that I would battle for: NO CRYSTAL STAIR and BENEATH A METH MOON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alys, oh, I&#8217;m not upset or offended in the least.  Let&#8217;s chalk this up to one of those awkward internet exchanges where we can&#8217;t read each others nonverbal cues at all.  When I responded to you earlier, I was thinking of our post with Thom Barthelmess about how the BG-HB award doesn&#8217;t really have any criteria beyond eligibility&#8211;and yet many, if not most, of the winners would fit quite comfortably in the Newbery canon.  Mark says the canon would like quite different if we defined children as being up to 18, but I&#8217;m not so sure. There are not a few ALSC members who would love to see the Newbery end at 12 rather than 14, people who would even now not vote for any of these 12-14 books like CARVER and CRISS CROSS.  Would they really vote for a 16-18 title, even if the criteria allowed for it?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I might approach the situation.  THE FAULT IN OUR STARS, CODE NAME VERITY, and SERAPHINA all have six starred reviews&#8211;and they all have readers in the 12-14 age range.  All of these books are long which is one thing that discourages me from suggesting any of them.  I think the characters in CODE NAME VERITY are past high school, no?  And isn&#8217;t there some foul language?  I&#8217;ll pass.  SERAPHINA and THE FAULT IN OUR STARS have sixteen-year-old main characters and there are quite a few of those in the canon, books like HATTIE BIG SKY and HOPE WAS HERE and SOMEWHERE IN THE DARKNESS.  But again with THE FAULT IN OUR STARS we have the language and some mild sex, so I&#8217;ll pass on this one, too.  SERAPHINA would be the most likely contender for me, and I might suggest it, but I don&#8217;t think it does for the 12-14 reader what THE FALSE PRINCE does for ages 9-12 so I can&#8217;t really get very serious about spending one of my nominations on it.</p>
<p>Once a YA title gets suggested then it obligates the other committee members to read it.  The ones that read it and find that it is (a) distinguished and (b) suitable for the age range may also suggest it.  The more suggestions a book receives, the more likely the book is to get a nomination in the fall.  However, some YA titles may make it onto the final nomination list with only one to two people behind it.  They have a long road ahead of them to convince other committee members to get behind that book (as opposed to other titles which have broader support).  You can see, then, why committee members would pick their age battles with care.  Personally, I&#8217;ve only read two books in this 12-14 range that I would battle for: NO CRYSTAL STAIR and BENEATH A METH MOON.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Flowers</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103413</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Flowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alys - I don&#039;t think Jonathan was suggesting that you wanted to scrap the Newbery criteria - he was using it as a reductio ad absurdum.  That is, if you really went all in on letting older books in (scrapping the criteria) what would you end up with.  And his answer is, pretty close to the same thing we have now.  I think that&#039;s a pretty fair assessment, given our current definition of &quot;children.&quot;  Given an older definition of children by which it meant anyone under 18, I think the canon would look very different.

As to your question about older titles, I won&#039;t get into specific titles, but I in my personal opinion there is no question that there have been plenty of 16ish titles, especially in recent years, that out class Newbery winners on pure literary merit, but not necessarily in that pieces about respecting children&#039;s understanding, being a contribution to children&#039;s lit, etc.  And I think (never having been on the committee) that&#039;s how the committee circles around to exclude those titles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alys &#8211; I don&#8217;t think Jonathan was suggesting that you wanted to scrap the Newbery criteria &#8211; he was using it as a reductio ad absurdum.  That is, if you really went all in on letting older books in (scrapping the criteria) what would you end up with.  And his answer is, pretty close to the same thing we have now.  I think that&#8217;s a pretty fair assessment, given our current definition of &#8220;children.&#8221;  Given an older definition of children by which it meant anyone under 18, I think the canon would look very different.</p>
<p>As to your question about older titles, I won&#8217;t get into specific titles, but I in my personal opinion there is no question that there have been plenty of 16ish titles, especially in recent years, that out class Newbery winners on pure literary merit, but not necessarily in that pieces about respecting children&#8217;s understanding, being a contribution to children&#8217;s lit, etc.  And I think (never having been on the committee) that&#8217;s how the committee circles around to exclude those titles.</p>
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		<title>By: Alys</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103412</link>
		<dc:creator>Alys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 02:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, at no point did I suggest scrapping the Newbery criteria, so I&#039;m not sure where you are getting that. I&#039;m sorry if I offended you somehow, I was not attacking your ideas, I was just trying to express curiosity about the process and ask questions to help me understand what sort of conversations might come up in a real committee. Please do not think I was suggesting there is an anything-goes attitude or that there should be. You are right that with fifteen people on the table the age range is solidly younger than it could be theoretically. Can you suggest some ways that the real committee might circle around and decide which books really are &quot;too old?&quot; I know that most distinguished is the most important criteria, but I also note that there are no books for older teens in the canon, and I would find it surprising that there has *never* been a book aimed solidly at the 16+ but accessible to a small number of 14  year olds that wasn&#039;t an equal of a Newbery honor or winner. (Sadly, my knowledge of distinguished YA titles is not stellar, so I can&#039;t create an example. Replying with &quot;My knowledge of older YA titles is vast and I can solidly state that none of them have ever equalled a Newbery winner or honor in their distinguishment&quot; is a valid response.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, at no point did I suggest scrapping the Newbery criteria, so I&#8217;m not sure where you are getting that. I&#8217;m sorry if I offended you somehow, I was not attacking your ideas, I was just trying to express curiosity about the process and ask questions to help me understand what sort of conversations might come up in a real committee. Please do not think I was suggesting there is an anything-goes attitude or that there should be. You are right that with fifteen people on the table the age range is solidly younger than it could be theoretically. Can you suggest some ways that the real committee might circle around and decide which books really are &#8220;too old?&#8221; I know that most distinguished is the most important criteria, but I also note that there are no books for older teens in the canon, and I would find it surprising that there has *never* been a book aimed solidly at the 16+ but accessible to a small number of 14  year olds that wasn&#8217;t an equal of a Newbery honor or winner. (Sadly, my knowledge of distinguished YA titles is not stellar, so I can&#8217;t create an example. Replying with &#8220;My knowledge of older YA titles is vast and I can solidly state that none of them have ever equalled a Newbery winner or honor in their distinguishment&#8221; is a valid response.)</p>
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		<title>By: fairrosa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/09/20/no-crystal-stair/#comment-103400</link>
		<dc:creator>fairrosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, actually, (ok, I am going to address Carver) I would put both Carver and Criss Cross on the &quot;I will not have any problem recommending them to my 6th graders, although they are absolutely great reads for 8th graders&quot; range.  And I don&#039;t see either one as &quot;most suited for 16-year-old readers.&quot; So, to me, their places on the Newbery stage make complete sense. I cannot agree with you more that the Newbery history is enriched by a wider range of literary works so that the message to the publishers and authors is, &quot;Do what you are passionate about and good at, and don&#039;t think about WHAT might win the Newbery&quot; because anything, as long as they are distinguished in some way, can win the Newbery.  Hey, truth be told, what I want most from any year&#039;s final choices has always been, &quot;Give us a variety of books: for younger, for older, poetry, nonfiction, picture books -- just go for it!!!&quot; 

So, I cannot be more proud for our 2002 list with one historical fiction for middle grade, another realistic fiction with quite a bit of quirky humor for middle grade, and then a verse biography for the older readers.  If we had decided to put more honor titles, I assure you, it would have been even more diverse as a whole list.  But, I have no idea what January 2013 might bring.  After reading and re-reading, thinking and re-thinking -- all 15 of us, who don&#039;t know each other that well and who have to come to consensus for something as subjective and as personal as reading and reacting to what we read.  There is also each of our personal backgrounds to bring to the table: some of us are professors of children&#039;s literature who do not work directly with kids, some of us are school librarians for particular age groups, and others are public librarians working with a wider range of kids or teens.  Now you are making me really excited and very scared about that last week in January :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, actually, (ok, I am going to address Carver) I would put both Carver and Criss Cross on the &#8220;I will not have any problem recommending them to my 6th graders, although they are absolutely great reads for 8th graders&#8221; range.  And I don&#8217;t see either one as &#8220;most suited for 16-year-old readers.&#8221; So, to me, their places on the Newbery stage make complete sense. I cannot agree with you more that the Newbery history is enriched by a wider range of literary works so that the message to the publishers and authors is, &#8220;Do what you are passionate about and good at, and don&#8217;t think about WHAT might win the Newbery&#8221; because anything, as long as they are distinguished in some way, can win the Newbery.  Hey, truth be told, what I want most from any year&#8217;s final choices has always been, &#8220;Give us a variety of books: for younger, for older, poetry, nonfiction, picture books &#8212; just go for it!!!&#8221; </p>
<p>So, I cannot be more proud for our 2002 list with one historical fiction for middle grade, another realistic fiction with quite a bit of quirky humor for middle grade, and then a verse biography for the older readers.  If we had decided to put more honor titles, I assure you, it would have been even more diverse as a whole list.  But, I have no idea what January 2013 might bring.  After reading and re-reading, thinking and re-thinking &#8212; all 15 of us, who don&#8217;t know each other that well and who have to come to consensus for something as subjective and as personal as reading and reacting to what we read.  There is also each of our personal backgrounds to bring to the table: some of us are professors of children&#8217;s literature who do not work directly with kids, some of us are school librarians for particular age groups, and others are public librarians working with a wider range of kids or teens.  Now you are making me really excited and very scared about that last week in January <img src='http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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