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		<title>By: Three Times Lucky by Sheila Turnage &#124; Hope Is the Word</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/10/21/three-times-lucky/#comment-110580</link>
		<dc:creator>Three Times Lucky by Sheila Turnage &#124; Hope Is the Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 10:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] half-way followed the ALA award chatter on the mock Newbery blog, Heavy Medal.  (It turns out that it was discussed there, but it was before I had tuned in.)  However, I wanted to read it because I have this little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] half-way followed the ALA award chatter on the mock Newbery blog, Heavy Medal.  (It turns out that it was discussed there, but it was before I had tuned in.)  However, I wanted to read it because I have this little [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Ralph</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/10/21/three-times-lucky/#comment-110552</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cell phone thing is definitely probable whereas there is a pocket in surburbian North Davidson County (near Winston-Salem) where there is no cell phone service (at least for my carrier).  You can send a text there if you stand on one foot in a specific spot.  If the town were small enough (population: 148 indicates that is probably is), it is possible there is no cell phone reception, but if you go 5-10 miles up the road there probably will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cell phone thing is definitely probable whereas there is a pocket in surburbian North Davidson County (near Winston-Salem) where there is no cell phone service (at least for my carrier).  You can send a text there if you stand on one foot in a specific spot.  If the town were small enough (population: 148 indicates that is probably is), it is possible there is no cell phone reception, but if you go 5-10 miles up the road there probably will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Ralph</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/10/21/three-times-lucky/#comment-110551</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forsyth/Guilford County (I grew up in Forsyth and sill live there) is hardly &quot;rural east-central North Carolina.&quot;   Most of the areas in these counties outside Winston-Salem/Greensboro and High Point, are suburban communities and do not strike me as qualifying as &quot;rural&quot; by any stretch of the imagination.  

There are definitely communities in Davidson/Randolph Counties that would fall into the rural/predominantly white category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forsyth/Guilford County (I grew up in Forsyth and sill live there) is hardly &#8220;rural east-central North Carolina.&#8221;   Most of the areas in these counties outside Winston-Salem/Greensboro and High Point, are suburban communities and do not strike me as qualifying as &#8220;rural&#8221; by any stretch of the imagination.  </p>
<p>There are definitely communities in Davidson/Randolph Counties that would fall into the rural/predominantly white category.</p>
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		<title>By: ALA Midwinter: SLJ Resources on the Youth Media Award Winners &#124; School Library Journal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/10/21/three-times-lucky/#comment-109925</link>
		<dc:creator>ALA Midwinter: SLJ Resources on the Youth Media Award Winners &#124; School Library Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Three Times Lucky by Sheila Turnage Dial/Penguin Young Readers Heavy Medal: Three Times Lucky [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/10/21/three-times-lucky/#comment-104463</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendy, the book has an authentic feel to me, and I get what you are saying about these elements organically emerging from the story, but I&#039;m not sure that stops it from being a cliche no matter how well done.  Can a dead dog feel organic?  Sure.  A gay person dying in a car crash?  Sure.  It just means that when these cliches do appear they have to be so awesome that we can&#039;t help ourselves.  On the 90% thread last year, I quoted this passage from Deborah Stevenson . . .

That’s also why it’s more challenging to judge books of genuine originality or books in a scarcely populated genre (is a biography in a poetry sequence form that’s less good than Marilyn Nelson’s superb Carver lackluster or merely excellent?); why books in densely populated genres need to achieve more demonstrable excellence to stand out (yet another metatextual fiction based on fairy tales has to work hard to be more than simply more of the same); why read-alikes are some of the most popular and useful forms of reader’s advisory.

THREE TIMES LUCKY does fall in a densely populated genre and therefore does need to achieve more demonstrable excellence.  I think it&#039;s almost there, but not quite.  I probably sound more negative about this book on the other thread than I really am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, the book has an authentic feel to me, and I get what you are saying about these elements organically emerging from the story, but I&#8217;m not sure that stops it from being a cliche no matter how well done.  Can a dead dog feel organic?  Sure.  A gay person dying in a car crash?  Sure.  It just means that when these cliches do appear they have to be so awesome that we can&#8217;t help ourselves.  On the 90% thread last year, I quoted this passage from Deborah Stevenson . . .</p>
<p>That’s also why it’s more challenging to judge books of genuine originality or books in a scarcely populated genre (is a biography in a poetry sequence form that’s less good than Marilyn Nelson’s superb Carver lackluster or merely excellent?); why books in densely populated genres need to achieve more demonstrable excellence to stand out (yet another metatextual fiction based on fairy tales has to work hard to be more than simply more of the same); why read-alikes are some of the most popular and useful forms of reader’s advisory.</p>
<p>THREE TIMES LUCKY does fall in a densely populated genre and therefore does need to achieve more demonstrable excellence.  I think it&#8217;s almost there, but not quite.  I probably sound more negative about this book on the other thread than I really am.</p>
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		<title>By: Debuts too &#124; crossreferencing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debuts too &#124; crossreferencing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.slj.com/heavymedal/2012/10/21/three-times-lucky/#comment-104422</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I really think that in the hands of this book (to mix metaphors), those aspects are NOT cliches, and that&#039;s what struck me here. All of that strikes me as genuine, growing naturally from the setting and the plot and with that authentic voice, as opposed to the standard quirky-girl-in-small-Southern-town book that gets mentioned in mock Newberys. The only thing I think is really cliche is the idea that this kind of book is what wins Newberys. (Not very often, really. Though plenty of honors in the last ten years or so.) A Year Down Yonder has familiar themes and characters and setting, yet it isn&#039;t cliche-ridden. Although, once again, that brings it into focus. This book is no Year Down Yonder, is it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I really think that in the hands of this book (to mix metaphors), those aspects are NOT cliches, and that&#8217;s what struck me here. All of that strikes me as genuine, growing naturally from the setting and the plot and with that authentic voice, as opposed to the standard quirky-girl-in-small-Southern-town book that gets mentioned in mock Newberys. The only thing I think is really cliche is the idea that this kind of book is what wins Newberys. (Not very often, really. Though plenty of honors in the last ten years or so.) A Year Down Yonder has familiar themes and characters and setting, yet it isn&#8217;t cliche-ridden. Although, once again, that brings it into focus. This book is no Year Down Yonder, is it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>African Americans: This reminds me somewhat of CALPURNIA TATE where the African Americans were conveniently inconspicuous.  I&#039;m willing to entertain a brief discussion on this point, but it strikes me as a peccadillo more than a fatal flaw.  And Turnage may yet do something with this in subsequent books.

Cell Phones: It&#039;s really hard for me to swallow the idea of no cell phone coverage . . . but, then, when I found sections of Modesto which didn&#039;t have sidewalks but rather this no man&#039;s land of dirt between the yard and the street--well, I thought I had stumbled into a third world country the first time I saw it . . . so, okay, I&#039;ll buy it.  However, it definitely does give it a so-backwards-it&#039;s-historical-fiction vibe.  And that would add a *fourth* Newbery cliche to the pile.

Contribution: I&#039;d been thinking about this issue before Wendy brought it up because I do think in order to say something is a contribution to children&#039;s literature you have to have a fairly good idea of children&#039;s literature to recognize whether something is a contribution to it or not.  I&#039;m not sure that I can say THREE TIMES LUCKY is a contribution in this sense.  I mean there are an awful lot of Newbery books with those cliches (not to mention the small handful every year that people insist are contenders).

I think we&#039;re always taken with things that are &quot;new&quot; and &quot;different&quot; (even if they are only new and different to us).  I do think that gives them an edge (not that any committee would necessarily acknowledge that in discussion), but they also have to be excellent.  I&#039;m thinking GOOD MASTERS! SWEET LADIES!  New and different?  Yes.  Excellent?  Yes.

Mystery: What Mark and Wendy said.  Does everything click into place?  In other words, can the reader logically figure out the mystery from the clues?  Or does she have to bide her time passively until the author sees fit to dispense the information at the conclusion?  It struck me as more of the latter, but I could be wrong.  Like I said, I&#039;d need to reread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>African Americans: This reminds me somewhat of CALPURNIA TATE where the African Americans were conveniently inconspicuous.  I&#8217;m willing to entertain a brief discussion on this point, but it strikes me as a peccadillo more than a fatal flaw.  And Turnage may yet do something with this in subsequent books.</p>
<p>Cell Phones: It&#8217;s really hard for me to swallow the idea of no cell phone coverage . . . but, then, when I found sections of Modesto which didn&#8217;t have sidewalks but rather this no man&#8217;s land of dirt between the yard and the street&#8211;well, I thought I had stumbled into a third world country the first time I saw it . . . so, okay, I&#8217;ll buy it.  However, it definitely does give it a so-backwards-it&#8217;s-historical-fiction vibe.  And that would add a *fourth* Newbery cliche to the pile.</p>
<p>Contribution: I&#8217;d been thinking about this issue before Wendy brought it up because I do think in order to say something is a contribution to children&#8217;s literature you have to have a fairly good idea of children&#8217;s literature to recognize whether something is a contribution to it or not.  I&#8217;m not sure that I can say THREE TIMES LUCKY is a contribution in this sense.  I mean there are an awful lot of Newbery books with those cliches (not to mention the small handful every year that people insist are contenders).</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re always taken with things that are &#8220;new&#8221; and &#8220;different&#8221; (even if they are only new and different to us).  I do think that gives them an edge (not that any committee would necessarily acknowledge that in discussion), but they also have to be excellent.  I&#8217;m thinking GOOD MASTERS! SWEET LADIES!  New and different?  Yes.  Excellent?  Yes.</p>
<p>Mystery: What Mark and Wendy said.  Does everything click into place?  In other words, can the reader logically figure out the mystery from the clues?  Or does she have to bide her time passively until the author sees fit to dispense the information at the conclusion?  It struck me as more of the latter, but I could be wrong.  Like I said, I&#8217;d need to reread.</p>
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		<title>By: DaNae</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaNae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I see your point.  I put THREE TIMES LUCKY on my short list mainly because I am its audience.  Give me a setting of a small town full of quirky characters and it&#039;s the first book I&#039;ll pick off the pile. Throw in a moose wandering down the street and I&#039;ll be there for every episode.  But I do see how too much of a &quot;good&quot; thing can dampen enthusiasm.  This past weekend I simultaneously listened to THE GREAT UNEXPECTED  and read ONE YEAR IN COAL HARBOR over the same two days.  Loved both of them, but I will admit to having a fair bit of confusion.  Then the talk for TTL began and I couldn&#039;t remember what happened in which book.  I think the strongest contender among small towns with quirky characters may be LIAR &amp; SPY.  I know New York isn&#039;t your typical small town, but Stead does such a masterful job constructing Georges neighborhood, it feels like a place where everyone is connected, and the quirky do make themselves at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I see your point.  I put THREE TIMES LUCKY on my short list mainly because I am its audience.  Give me a setting of a small town full of quirky characters and it&#8217;s the first book I&#8217;ll pick off the pile. Throw in a moose wandering down the street and I&#8217;ll be there for every episode.  But I do see how too much of a &#8220;good&#8221; thing can dampen enthusiasm.  This past weekend I simultaneously listened to THE GREAT UNEXPECTED  and read ONE YEAR IN COAL HARBOR over the same two days.  Loved both of them, but I will admit to having a fair bit of confusion.  Then the talk for TTL began and I couldn&#8217;t remember what happened in which book.  I think the strongest contender among small towns with quirky characters may be LIAR &amp; SPY.  I know New York isn&#8217;t your typical small town, but Stead does such a masterful job constructing Georges neighborhood, it feels like a place where everyone is connected, and the quirky do make themselves at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danae...it&#039;s more that it&#039;s got to have something to distinguish it from other contenders that year.  It doesn&#039;t have to be unique in theme or content. I don&#039;t see the setting, plotting, or characters transcending those in stronger books this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danae&#8230;it&#8217;s more that it&#8217;s got to have something to distinguish it from other contenders that year.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be unique in theme or content. I don&#8217;t see the setting, plotting, or characters transcending those in stronger books this year.</p>
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